US Attacks Iran

Astyanax · 2025-06-22T00:44:35+00:00

So much for 2 weeks. Looks like he’s done mullah-ing it over about the mullahs in Iran. https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/politics/trump-iran-air-strikes POTUS will address the nation at 10 PM. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-address-nation-after-attacking-iran-nuclear-sites-2088874

egeezer

Thomas Fugate is leading the Center for Prevention Programs and Partnerships, which is a division of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that oversees terrorism prevention. Mr. Fugate is a former gardener and grocery store clerk who graduated from the University of Texas at San Antonio a year ago.

Fugate’s level of expertise, qualifications and experience in his assigned post is consistent with critical appoinments in other areas. When assessing our readiness to prevent and respond to Iran’s promised terrorism threat responses, we should have a level of confidence consistent with his resumé.

Astyanax

Dks01 Apparently you can’t stand the truth. Bibi has said something similar.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel has “interesting intel” on the location of Iran’s 60% enriched uranium, following the US strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites last night.

Fascinating. Now you all believe what Bibi says! LOL!

Astyanax

Dks01 It would appear you are blind to the truth, then. Pot, meet kettle.

Actually the hate I was referring to was that of Israel and Netanyahu not Trump.

MacLeech

Dks01 The UN’s nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, says Iran has around 400kg of 60% enriched uranium

Nuclear reactors need up to 20% enriched uranium, often much less depending on the model. Anything above is destined for nuclear weapons use.

px_eliezer_

Satellites show damage to Iran’s nuclear program, but experts say it’s not destroyed

“At the end of the day there are some really important things that haven’t been hit,” says Jeffrey Lewis, a professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, who tracks Iran’s nuclear facilities. “If this ends here, it’s a really incomplete strike.”

“I think you have to assume that significant amounts of this enriched uranium still exist, so this is not over by any means,” agrees David Albright, the president of the Institute for Science and International Security, which has closely tracked Iran’s nuclear program for years.

https://www.tspr.org/npr-news/2025-06-22/satellites-show-damage-to-irans-nuclear-program-but-experts-say-its-not-destroyed

Indeed.

Somewhat-Reticent

So the Substantial Performer hasn’t yet Sung?

Astyanax

px_eliezer_ Satellites show damage to Iran’s nuclear program, but experts say it’s not destroyed

“At the end of the day there are some really important things that haven’t been hit,” says Jeffrey Lewis, a professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, who tracks Iran’s nuclear facilities. “If this ends here, it’s a really incomplete strike.”

“I think you have to assume that significant amounts of this enriched uranium still exist, so this is not over by any means,” agrees David Albright, the president of the Institute for Science and International Security, which has closely tracked Iran’s nuclear program for years.

https://www.tspr.org/npr-news/2025-06-22/satellites-show-damage-to-irans-nuclear-program-but-experts-say-its-not-destroyed

Indeed.

So the enriched uranium for the supposedly 22+year non-existent nuclear weapons program that Bibi made up just to stay in power was moved a few days earlier and these two guys concluded the attack did absolutely nothing to any of the underground facilities and equipment just from commercial satellite photos showing some holes in the ground. Got it.

px_eliezer_

Astyanax

It’s not totally one extreme or the other.

There’s middle ground.

No one seriously thinks that Iran had no program…

The questions are what their capabilities were, how determined they were, how patient they were willing to be, what their final purpose was….

That they were perhaps days or weeks from joining the club, as Bibi suggested, is the other extreme…

egeezer

This discussion appears to be limited to a choice between “Mission Accomplished” and “Total FaIlure”.

Having lived through the proclamations of communists under every bed by McCarthy, body count victories and winning during the Vietnam war by General Westmoreland and claims of WMDs in Iraq, I remain skeptical of high fiving claims of absolute victory by those in charge of leadership messaging.

I have little if any confidence in the pontifications of politicians, but will view independent analysis by experienced professionals with access to intel with a combination of measured confidence and skepticism.

Also, I note by the posts here that any disagreement over policy, strategy or conduct of the ongoing operations is viewed by some as equivalent to virulent personal, ethnic or religious hate.

urbanriot

egeezer This discussion appears to be limited to a choice between “Mission Accomplished” and “Total FaIlure”.

There’s one way to combine both - if casualties from the US air strike are not high and if the necessary targets were hit then this might be a plus for Iran, as crazy as that sounds, as it would stop Israel from haphazardly attacking Iran and killing more innocent people.

I’m always of the opinion that Israel attacks other countries under the guise of a valiant mission and this may actually be a strategic tactical resolution by Trump to put an early end to a war before it really started. This idea may also explain why he said ‘two weeks’ but then attacked within hours instead.

GrumpyCanadian

urbanriot as it would stop Israel from haphazardly attacking Iran and killing more innocent people.

None of this is going to end his illegal actions in Iran. He has been waiting for this for decades, and one of his minions already said that they are preparing for a potentially protracted war. This, like many of their other stories, was just a pretext to launch an attack.

Even if everyone who was ever involved with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis were to spontaneously combust, burned alive by divine (or Satanic?) intervention tomorrow morning, do you really believe that would get him out of Gaza, Lebanon or Syria? Do you really think he would deal with Palestinians fairly and in good faith? I don’t believe that any more than I believe I can pick up and throw all the rubble in Tel Aviv.

GrumpyCanadian

dave It is acting at the behest of a corrupt authoritarian on trumped-up claims of WMDs.

Again! He was also the one who put one of Khan’s Ceti eels in Bush’s ear before that “WMD” incident. I don’t know if they ever explicitly named and shamed the source of the shoddy “intelligence” that instigated that mess during the hearings.

GrumpyCanadian

Since there is still some debate, as well as those acting as if it is known that Iran was actively pursuing weapons development, another thought-provoking article:

Israel says Iran is close to a nuclear weapon. Others doubt it

MacLeech

GrumpyCanadian as if it is known that Iran was actively pursuing weapons development

the last report of the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) says that Iran has more than 400 kilograms of 60 per cent enriched uranium

Why would they make a few hundred kilos of 60% enriched uranium if wasn’t for weapons development?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

Low-enriched uranium (LEU)
Low-enriched uranium (LEU) has a lower than 20% concentration of 235U; for instance, in commercial LWR, the most prevalent power reactors in the world, uranium is enriched to 3 to 5% 235U. Slightly enriched uranium (SEU) has a concentration of under 2% 235U.[9]

High-assay LEU (HALEU)
High-assay LEU (HALEU) is enriched between 5% and 20%[10] and is called for in many small modular reactor (SMR) designs.[11] Fresh LEU used in research reactors is usually enriched between 12% and 19.75% 235U; the latter concentration is used to replace HEU fuels when converting to LEU.

Highly enriched uranium (HEU)
Highly enriched uranium (HEU) has a 20% or higher concentration of 235U. This high enrichment level is essential for nuclear weapons and certain specialized reactor designs. The fissile uranium in nuclear weapon primaries usually contains 85% or more of 235U known as weapons grade, though theoretically for an implosion design, a minimum of 20% could be sufficient (called weapon-usable) although it would require hundreds of kilograms of material and “would not be practical to design”…

The first uranium bomb, Little Boy, dropped by the United States on Hiroshima in 1945, used 64 kilograms (141 lb) of 80% enriched uranium.

Somewhat-Reticent

MacLeech power-generation reserves with sufficient half-life?

urbanriot

GrumpyCanadian do you really believe that would get him out of Gaza, Lebanon or Syria? Do you really think he would deal with Palestinians fairly and in good faith?

Fair question and one that’s not easy to answer.

Israel really pushed their luck with their recent shenanigans and regardless of where people stand, it’s safe to say that everyone can acknowledge that global sentiments are no longer as rosy towards them as they were in the past. We were all horrified when Hamas gunmen murdered a couple hundred innocent ravers and Israel had tepid support for vengeance. But then they used that latitude to go on an absolute murdering spree and the people were not so happy with the deaths of so many innocent civilians on the other side.

So they wanted to invade Iran to take out their alleged nuclear program. Okay, well, Trump took care of that so you’re done there. Now what? I truly believe the leaders of the G7 would not abide by further attacks by Israel of Iran unless there was conclusive proof they still had a nuclear program and I’m extremely confident the G20 would not abide.

A lot of this depends on Iran as well, what are they going to do? They could engage in reciprocal attacks and as a result they’d be giving Israel a green light to maintain their campaign.

At the end of the day if you had foreign powers bombing your country and one of them said they had no intention to stop, what would you do? I have a feeling that Iran is going to try and defend themselves with a counter offense and in return Israel is going to keep up the attack.

Iran doesn’t stand a chance with a one-on-one attack against an Israel backed by the world superpower known as USA so they may have to fight back by other means, like closing the Strait of Hormuz and seeding it with mines.

None of this is good and I do believe that Israel is going to try to draw this into an extended war… let’s see if Congress allows it.

Dks01

Astyanax Dks01 It would appear you are blind to the truth, then. Pot, meet kettle.

Actually the hate I was referring to was that of Israel and Netanyahu not Trump.

You are still blind to the truth, on all three counts.

Dks01

Astyanax Fascinating. Now you all believe what Bibi says! LOL!

No, I simply quoted without opinion. Bibi may well by lying to save his own skin. He may be telling the truth for his own purposes.

Some clarity.

The 60-percent enriched fuel had been stored deep inside another nuclear complex, near the ancient capital of Isfahan. Rafael Mariano Grossi, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said by text that the fuel had last been seen by his teams of United Nations inspectors about a week before Israel began its attacks on Iran. In an interview on CNN on Sunday he added that “Iran has made no secret that they have protected this material.”

Asked by text later in the day whether he meant that the fuel stockpile — which is stored in special casks small enough to fit in the trunks of about 10 cars — had been moved, he replied, “I do.” That appeared to be the mystery about the fuel’s fate that Mr. Vance was discussing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/us/politics/iran-uranium-stockpile-whereabouts.html

Dks01

urbanriot Iran doesn’t stand a chance with a one-on-one attack against an Israel backed by the world superpower known as USA so they may have to fight back by other means, like closing the Strait of Hormuz and seeding it with mines.

Such tactics have been described as a suicidal option. Blocking the Strait of Hormuz would bring the global economy to its knees and possibly involve India and China, who purchase a lot of Iranian oil. Other than diplomacy, there are no good options.

Astyanax

Somewhat-Reticent power-generation reserves with sufficient half-life?

When you have the second largest natural gas reserves in the world why would you even bother considering nuclear power?

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