Man-of-Leisure Literally watch any YouTube video comparing the two and how they work.
Or better yet, rent a Tesla and use them both yourself.
I don’t understand why someone who has clearly never even driven one is even talking about this.
I asked about evidence, but got some not very useful blathering.
Here’s a better question, why does any of this matter?
Why does a total malfunction possibly resulting in a crash matter?
Is a fake painted wall across the road something you’d ever encounter in the real world while driving?
No, but the underlying root cause likely to cause the same mis-detection elsewhere.
It was a fun, pointless experiment they did. It’s not meaningful at all in normal use using the car. Nor does it mean that FSD is broken or unsafe.
That’s not a real-world scenario you’d ever encounter while driving. We don’t live in a Looney Tunes cartoon.
But an overturned truck on the freeway or a foggy intersection is a real life possibility.
I couldn’t care less about Elon, and most of the things he says are nonsense.
I guess there is something we can agree on. 😉
Man-of-Leisure He is correct about not needing lidar. Their self-driving is currently far better than anyone else’s, and it uses only cameras.
Rubbish for both – in the first case for ignoring evidence to the contrary, for the second posting under the influence of musky cool aid and not even attempting to differentiate facts from propaganda.
I did a bit of googling and here are some results:
================================================
AI Overview
While no cars are truly “fully” self-driving for consumer purchase, several automakers offer advanced driver-assistance systems (ADAS) that provide semi-autonomous capabilities, like Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving, GM’s Super Cruise, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot.
Here’s a breakdown of some of the prominent systems and vehicles:
Companies and their systems:
Tesla:
Known for its Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) capabilities, which are considered Level 2 autonomous systems.
Autopilot: Offers features like adaptive cruise control, lane centering, and automatic lane changes.
Full Self-Driving (FSD): Includes features like Navigate on Autopilot, Autopark, and Summon, but still requires driver attention.
General Motors (GM):
Offers Super Cruise, a hands-free, semi-autonomous driving system on select Cadillac models like the CT5 and CT6.
Mercedes-Benz:
Has Drive Pilot, a Level 3 autonomous system in the EQS Sedan, allowing for hands-off driving in certain conditions.
BMW:
The BMW 7 Series incorporates SAE Level 3 autonomy capabilities, allowing for some dynamic driving maneuvers without human intervention.
Waymo:
A company focused on developing autonomous ride-hailing services.
Ford:
Offers BlueCruise, a hands-free driving system on select models like the Mustang Mach-E.
=========================================================
AI Overview
Level 4 self-driving cars, also known as “high driving automation,” are designed to handle most driving tasks autonomously under specific conditions, allowing the driver to disengage from driving duties, but still retain the ability to take control.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
Level 4 Definition:
According to the SAE International J3016 standard, Level 4 vehicles can perform the entire dynamic driving task (DDT) and its fallback functions autonomously under certain conditions, meaning they can drive from point to point without driver intervention.
Operational Design Domain (ODD):
Level 4 systems operate within a defined operational design domain (ODD), which specifies the conditions under which they are capable of autonomous driving, such as specific geographic areas, road types, weather conditions, and times of day.
Limited to Specific Scenarios:
While Level 4 vehicles can handle most driving situations, they may still require human intervention in certain complex or unpredictable scenarios, or when outside their defined ODD.
Examples:
Companies like Waymo (with its Waymo One service) and Navya are developing and deploying Level 4 autonomous vehicles, primarily for ride-hailing or shuttle services in specific urban areas.
Current Status:
While Level 4 technology is advancing rapidly, it’s not yet fully mature, and widespread deployment of Level 4 vehicles is still in the future.
Difference from Level 5:
Level 5 represents “full driving automation,” where the vehicle can handle all driving tasks in all conditions, without any human intervention or oversight, and is considered a more distant goal than Level 4.
====================================================================
AI Overview
Level 3 self-driving, or conditional driving automation, allows the driver to take their hands off the wheel and eyes off the road in specific situations, but they must be ready to take control when the system requests it.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
What it is:
Level 3 autonomy means the car can handle all aspects of driving under certain conditions, allowing the driver to engage in other activities.
Key Features:
The driver can take their hands off the wheel and eyes off the road.
The car will steer, brake, and accelerate automatically.
The driver must be ready to take over when the system requests it, or if there’s a failure.
Examples:
Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot: This system, available on the EQS and S-Class, allows for Level 3 driving in certain conditions, like highway traffic.
BMW Personal Pilot L3: This system, available in the new BMW 7 Series, allows for Level 3 driving at speeds up to 60 km/h (37 mph) on motorways with structurally separated carriageways.
Limitations:
Level 3 systems are not fully autonomous and require a human driver to be present and ready to take control.
The car’s ability to drive autonomously is limited to specific conditions and situations.
The driver must be able to intervene after a warning period if the system reaches its limits.
Current Status:
Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot is the first Level 3 system to be available on consumer vehicles in the United States.
BMW Personal Pilot L3 is available in Germany.
Other automakers are also developing Level 3 systems, but they are still in development or awaiting regulatory approval.
====================================================================
Is Tesla’s self driving level 3?
==================
AI Overview
No, Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” (FSD) system is currently a Level 2 system, meaning it can handle primary driving functions but requires the driver to remain attentive and ready to take control at any moment.
Here’s a breakdown of why and what Level 2 means:
Level 2 (Partial Driving Automation):
This level allows the vehicle to control both steering and accelerating/decelerating, but the driver must remain fully attentive and ready to take control at any moment.
Tesla’s FSD:
Despite its name, Tesla’s FSD system operates at Level 2, meaning the vehicle can handle primary driving functions, but the driver must be prepared to take over.
Level 3 (Conditional Automation):
This level allows for conditional automation, but the conditions are extremely limited, such as clear and bright outside environments, previously mapped routes, and speeds below 40 mph.
Tesla’s approach:
Tesla’s approach is to allow their “full self-driving” (FSD) system to be used in all ODDs as a Level 2 (hands/on, eyes/on) ADAS.
Man-of-Leisure Tesla is far ahead of everyone else on self-driving. Even Apple gave up on their self-driving car, since it was apparently too difficult for them.
Why not Level 3?:
Tesla’s current hardware and software rely primarily on cameras for environmental perception, which lacks the redundancy necessary for higher-level autonomy.
=====================================================================
Man-of-Leisure Tesla is far ahead of everyone else on self-driving. Even Apple gave up on their self-driving car, since it was apparently too difficult for them.
Looks like either the Google AI is hallucinating a lot, or you’re just cluelessly regurgitating some musky propaganda…. 😉
My apologies about the occasional formatting ‘strangeness’ – this program seems interpret copy and pasted text in unexpected ways.