Anyone have a copy of the DSLR list of HighSplit locations and phasing?

zapman987 · 2025-01-31T16:56:32+00:00

Anyone have a copy of the DSLR (or otherwise) list of HighSplit locations and phasing? Bonus if it also has the status's of each.

MacLeech

Man-of-Leisure And they have poor eyesight or a small TV if they can’t see the difference between 720p and 4K.

They can notice the difference, but most don’t care. The additional factor of 4k TVs upscale ALL non-4k content automatically to display it, and most do a pretty good job these days, so they’re not watching raw 720p video make a big difference too. I bet your family would’ve watched the entire event in 720p and been perfectly happy with it, had you not changed it.

That 4k was just upscaled 1080p anyway. The “4k” was mostly a PR move, but then again, the SB is all about marketing anyway. IF it helps them sell more product, they’ll do it.

Man-of-Leisure Most providers at this point are IPTV, and don’t even use ATSC at all.

Just about everything broadcast OTA that are carried on cable are still ATSC sources. It’s easier, quicker, and cheaper.

Man-of-Leisure

Not_Sure Even now “4K” broadcasts are just upscaled 1080p.

The NFL games are, so far.

I believe the Olympics have been native 4K for the past several games now.

Upscaled 1080p can still look as good as native 4K, if it’s upscaled well.

Still looks dramatically better than 720p.

MacLeech Just about everything broadcast OTA that are carried on cable are still ATSC sources.

Only the 4 broadcast networks are OTA

The other hundreds of cable channels aren’t, and have no reason to be using ATSC other than backwards compatibility with old QAM cable boxes.

Not_Sure few? EVERY station broadcasts in either 720p or 1080i.

Only the 4 broadcast networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox) broadcast OTA.

Everything else is “cable”, or provided directly to your TV provider. No ATSC or OTA broadcast required.

YouTube TV can get a direct 1080p60 feed of any of the cable channels, assuming they’re not being natively produced in 1080i or 720p.

You’ll notice for example that the On Demand version has noticeably higher quality than your DVR recordings.

Or that TV shows like “Lost” which were originally broadcast in 720p on ABC were actually produced in 1080p and are available in that format on Blu-Ray, streaming, etc.

Not_Sure

CommunityMember Even now “4K” broadcasts are just upscaled 1080p. The people producing the content would have to have the 4K equipment. Which isn’t cheap. And sure as hell local stations aren’t upgrading newsrooms to have the news in 4K. You could put all 4 major networks on one channel at 1080p and they can split the cost 4 ways. Or you can have your 1080p main channel and several 720p subchannels earning ad revenue. Or you can have one 4K broadcast and that’s it. Which do you think they are choosing?

Not_Sure

Man-of-Leisure They’re not limited to ATSC 1.0 for their source format. They could be natively producing content in 1080p or 4K, then converting it to ATSC 1.0 for the few providers who still require that.

few? EVERY station broadcasts in either 720p or 1080i. over ATSC 1.0. You’re not getting 4K over ATSC 1.0

MacLeech

Man-of-Leisure Only the 4 broadcast networks are OTA

Really? I count WAY more than that, and this is just the DMA around my area:
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=2
Beyond all the local variations of the major broadcast channels which are inserting local ads, all those little channels usually opt for “MUST CARRY” status, so the local cable providers must carry them.

Pick your market:
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php

Anyway, as usual your lack of background on the subject is leading us way off-topic. The situation has been more complicated than you realize, leading a long complicated journey to today upgrades by providers to mid-split, high-split, FDX, and ESD.

Man-of-Leisure

MacLeech Really? I count WAY more than that

None of those are cable channels, and have nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

MacLeech All those little channels usually opt for “MUST CARRY” status, so the local cable providers must carry them.

I was mainly talking about YouTube TV and the other OTT streaming services, which are rapidly replacing cable TV.

Increasingly, people are watching NFL games and MLB games through their apps, where ATSC wouldn’t matter and they can offer a 4K stream if they want to, in addition to providing a downscaled ATSC for those providers who still require that.

CommunityMember

MacLeech Anyway, as usual your lack of background on the subject is leading us way off-topic.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong on these sites.

MacLeech

Man-of-Leisure I was mainly talking about YouTube TV and the other OTT streaming services, which are rapidly replacing cable TV.

Great! Since that didn’t happen sooner, Tivo and CableCARD mandates (among others) kept some channels on the cable system. Since those requirements have finally expired, those channels’ frequency space can now be used by mid-split, high-split, FDX, and ESD cable systems that you’re seeing from Comcast, Charter, Mediacom, Cox, and others.

Motorola870

When they did away with the DTAs in my area they have now moved even local OTA channels to SDV. for some reason they opened up RF62 and RF63 (which remain un-modulated) by moving lesser viewed locals and national nets to SDV. They gained back 4 QAM slots when they did the most recent repack moving the DOCSIS channels down by 12MHz.

smccloud

Man-of-Leisure Sure there is, more money by charging more for 1080p and 4k content.

Man-of-Leisure

smccloud Sure there is, more money by charging more for 1080p and 4k content.

They don’t do that.

smccloud

Man-of-Leisure Even though most videos on Youtube say they support 4k for me, most won’t play that way on my 4k TV. They did when I had my free Youtube Premium trial from buying my Pixel 8, but not anymore.

MacLeech

Man-of-Leisure They don’t do that.

Some providers like Netflix, HBO, and Youtube TV charge more on top of their base plans for 4k feeds.

While the history of old requirements on cable providers for certain channels and support for certain devices delayed mid and high-split rollout beyond the lack of equipment for years after the specs to support them were approved, none of this has anything to do with the current rollout of high-split since those requirements expired. Yes, I realize I haven’t stuck to the topic well either while trying to correct some wild misinformation, but I keep trying to keep it related however tenuously.

Please keep to the Spectrum high-split rollout topic. It’s almost done in Kentucky; expanding through Texas, Alabama; and seemingly on-hold in California. The delays seem to be related to Spectrum’s DAA equipment provider.

Kathy_9

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Man-of-Leisure

MacLeech Please keep to the Spectrum high-split rollout topic.

You’re the one who keeps replying lmao

smccloud

Official list on the Spectrum Community

2×1 Gbps Markets
– Lexington, KY
– Cincinnati, OH
Symmetrical 1×1 Gbps Markets (Pending 2×1 Gbps)
– Reno, NV
– Rochester, MN
– St. Louis, MO
– Rochester, NY
– Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
– Louisville, KY
Cities Pending Symmetrical Launch
– None at this time
Remainder of Service Area
– Expected completion by end of 2027

I’m still hoping for some news in the St. Cloud/Big Lake, MN area before the end of summer, but with the rain we’ve gotten I can see it being put off.

Motorola870

smccloud it is not updated fully.

2×1 Gbps Markets also include:
Dallas-Fort Worth
Rochester NY
St Louis MO

These areas launched the 2Gbps tier the first week of June.

smccloud

Motorola870 Sounds about right. All I know is right now we’re are in the middle of 10 days of rain 🙁. Not much construction happening at all, even on the roads which normally don’t stop for anything.

Motorola870

smccloud I am pretty sure they can do upgrades in rain. They just use an umbrella while working to keep the actives and passives dry while working.

If North Texas had rain delays it would have taken more than 2 years to upgrade the 10 county service area here. Storm damage could delay upgrades though. The only delays we had were when they stopped work on the project to deal with issues that cropped up and potentially repairs from storm damage.

CommunityMember

Motorola870 I am pretty sure they can do upgrades in rain.

Rain, alone, sure. Tornadoes, or Lightning (or the threat thereof) on the other hand…… The highest priority is always human life, and sometimes that means that some scheduled work will get delayed (as is appropriate).

smccloud

Motorola870 Most of the time, it has been thunderstorms, so I can’t blame them for not working in them, since I am afraid of them myself.

Motorola870

CommunityMember I wouldn’t expect them to work in strong storms or with lightning.

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