US Attacks Iran

Astyanax · 2025-06-22T00:44:35+00:00

So much for 2 weeks. Looks like he’s done mullah-ing it over about the mullahs in Iran. https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/politics/trump-iran-air-strikes POTUS will address the nation at 10 PM. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-address-nation-after-attacking-iran-nuclear-sites-2088874

HooRU

assailant loose lips? what about Steve Banon knowing?

px_eliezer_

Astyanax Just because a presidential attack order has the blessings of Congress doesn’t guarantee it’s “right” either. There is no consultant with more expertise in the art and science of doing nothing than Congress.

Well of course…

But the present setup of having decisions by one man, with all of his inner circle being very much hesitant to dare to express any different opinion, is not good.

Despite red-hot national crisis, Abraham Lincoln appointed his biggest 3 opponents (Seward, Chase, and Bates) to his cabinet.

There is a benefit to hearing constructive views from rivals—much more than from flattering sycophants.

px_eliezer_

assailant Well it didn’t take long. Just what the hell do you think just happened? Nuclear capability was just taken away from madmen.

The problem is that we don’t know for sure what their remaining capabilities are.

There may well be additional sites that are not yet known…

And/or they may have enough enriched uranium already (or close to it) to build at least one or two bombs.

assailant

HooRU what about Steve Banon knowing?

Whatabout.

Even if that were true, which is an empty assertion, let’s do a math comparison on OPSEC vulnerability numbers.

Compare to 535 people, times friends, lobbyists, pet reporters, overseas confidants and someone they want to impress at a cocktail party. Now multiply that by their spouses and significant others times all of the above.

I know something about OPSEC. I’ve lived it. So far by all accounts this operation had very tight OPSEC. The information appears to have been tightly controlled on a need-to-know basis. Diversion and misdirection took the enemy totally by surprise. One leak might have compromised all that. We don’t need several hundred people running around with that info hours before plan execution. That’s a rookie mistake for security.

assailant

px_eliezer_ The problem is that we don’t know for sure what their remaining capabilities are.

There may well be additional sites that are not yet known…

And/or they may have enough enriched uranium already (or close to it) to build at least one or two bombs.

Ok.

Military plans are not restricted to perfect information or the most optimistic situation. You plan and implement based on your best information. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Conflict will always have the potential for unknown unknowns. You do what you do based upon what you know versus inaction and analysis paralysis. This scenario has been wargamed for years.

assailant

HooRU don’t assume this is over.

Don’t assume it’s not.

I make no assumptions, other than unchecked madmen cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapons.

assailant

px_eliezer_ Despite red-hot national crisis, Abraham Lincoln appointed his biggest 3 opponents

He fired a lot of ‘play-it-safe’ generals too.

HooRU

What happend back in the 45 Administration? Walked away from negotiations, forcing things to what they are now.

urbanriot

assailant

I detect confusion. Taking pride in defending against madmen is not ‘loving war’. Celebrating victory against evil is not ‘loving war’.

What madmen are you referring to? There are hundreds of millions of people who see Israel’s leader Benjamin Netanyahu as a madman who loves war, is he one of them?

Astyanax

px_eliezer_ Well of course…

But the present setup of having decisions by one man, with all of his inner circle being very much hesitant to dare to express any different opinion, is not good.

Despite red-hot national crisis, Abraham Lincoln appointed his biggest 3 opponents (Seward, Chase, and Bates) to his cabinet.

The POTUS has been given the the greatest control over foreign policy of the US since FDR.

As for opponents, Tulsi Gabbard, his Director of National Intelligence testified to Congress back in March Iran has had no nuclear weapons program since 2003 yet the world is on the brink of nuclear annihilation. This was before the Iran strike. She still has her job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/gabbard-iran-did-not-restart-nuclear-weapons-program/2025/06/19/39a5034f-5473-43f6-9535-252135e14a6f_video.html

Astyanax

urbanriot What madmen are you referring to? There are hundreds of millions of people who see Israel’s leader Benjamin Netanyahu as a madman who loves war, is he one of them?

What would lead you to that conclusion? I’m sure 10X more than that think the same of the POTUS.

dave

assailant Well it didn’t take long.

I apologize for intruding in your echo chamber.

Just what the hell do you think just happened?

I think Netanyahu suckered Trump into doing his bidding

HooRU

No matter what happens with this, we are most certainly going to have World War and he who cannot be named will lead us there. He won’t be so bold with China, I think some leaders are very scared of China. When war starts with them, that will be America’s hugest acid test.

HooRU

The world sees us as the most warlike nation in the sphere. He did promise no war, he ran on it. He promised to stay out of the ME.

We wouldn’t have had to do this had the 45 admin worked with Iran. Let’s not forget the most important factors here.

Dks01

Astyanax “For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”

broknsymetry

Astyanax They weren’t “ALL” totally blindsided.

AFTER the fact is not consulting.

Top Republicans in Congress swiftly rallied behind President Trump on Saturday after he ordered strikes on three Iranian nuclear sites, even as senior Democrats and some G.O.P. lawmakers condemned it as an unconstitutional move that could drag the United States into a broader war in the Middle East.

Republican congressmen were informed, but not consulted. The Democrats were barely afforded even that courtesy.

Neither Mark Warner, a US senator of Virginia, nor Jim Himes, a representative of Connecticut, both top Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence panels, were briefed before the attack, according to reports.

But that came amid claims that Republican counterparts were given advance notice of the operation, which involved 125 aircraft – including seven B-2 bombers carrying 14 bunker busters weighing three tons – and 75 Tomahawk missiles launched from US submarines. Axios reported that the Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer, had been informed shortly before the attacks began at 6.40pm eastern time.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/22/democrats-iran-airstrikes

Indeed, without the advice and the consent of congress the attack was likely unconstitutional and violated the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/lawmakers-both-parties-question-legality-trumps-iran-strikes-rcna214316

assailant

urbanriot

What madmen are you referring to?

The one who keeps yelling “Death to America”.

There are hundreds of millions of people who see Israel’s leader Benjamin Netanyahu as a madman

Lots of people in the South once thought Lincoln was the devil too. It didn’t make what they thought right.

Dks01

assailant So far by all accounts this operation had very tight OPSEC.

Funny, that. On June 16, 2025,

Over two dozen U.S. Air Force KC-135R and KC-46A tankers from across the United States appeared on flight-tracking software yesterday evening, taking off from their bases and heading east over the Atlantic. It isn’t clear if they were ‘dragging’ any combat aircraft with them, but there wasn’t any obvious signs of that.

While tanker movements in this direction are far from abnormal, such a large, near-simultaneous migration of the jets was very peculiar, especially at a time of extreme crisis in the Middle East. The exact reason for the mass deployment is unclear, although many of the potential answers would indicate a change, or preparations for a potential change, in the current conflict between Israel and Iran.

https://www.twz.com/air/armada-of-usaf-tankers-just-deployed-east-over-atlantic-spurring-speculation

Tight OPSEC? Don’t make me laugh.

px_eliezer_

Astyanax The POTUS has been given the the greatest control over foreign policy of the US since FDR.

1) Yes, and the morning after Pearl Harbor, FDR went to Congress to ask for a declaration of war against Japan. He didn’t simply order it himself, despite being a very aggressive president.

2) As much as Congress is often dysfunctional and often drives us crazy, we ARE better off having a Congress than just having an all-powerful president. The Founding Fathers started the Constitution with Article I (Congress) ahead of Article II (President).

3) Marjorie Taylor Greene has bashed the attack, even though she is a huge DJT supporter. So have many others on that side.

assailant

broknsymetry Indeed, without the advice and the consent of congress the attack was likely unconstitutional

It is more likely that act is unconstitutional . Many presidents have sailed right past that act in ording military action. It has never been tested in court, and it won’t be this time. If certain lawmakers feel froggy they can jump and take this to court. They won’t because they know the the act is on shifty gound.

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