Vaccines and Alzheimer's

real_aurgathor · 2025-05-03T20:40:46+00:00

Apparently, some researchers found that there is some association between certain vaccines and Alzheimer’s disease. This time; however, it’s a ‘good’ effect Articles: https://theconversation.com/thirty-years-on-our-research-linking-viral-infections-with-alzheimers-is-finally-getting-the-attention-it-deserves-254656 https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/03/shingles-vaccination-dementia.html Study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(96)10149-5/abstract Edited to Comply with TOS

real_aurgathor

Astyanax

LOL. 😉

egeezer

telcodad The same with Mumps, as men contracting that when older can potentially affect fertility.

The father of a childhood friend got a case of mumps that “went down” on him in a painful way, and rendered him sterile. As to shingles, I’ve never had them, but my friends who had them went through weeks of pain and sleeplessness.

telcodad

egeezer As to shingles, I’ve never had them, but my friends who had them went through weeks of pain and sleeplessness.

My father had it, and it was not good.

I’ve been wondering about getting the vaccine myself, lately.

egeezer

telcodad
After consultation with our PCP and reading authorative information on the options, we chose the two shot Shingrix vaccine series. So far we have not grown horns or become magnetic. 😃

Shingles is nasty, especially in older people.

Edit - here is one of many independent sources regarding shingles in older people;
https://mcpress.mayoclinic.org/healthy-aging/what-to-know-about-shingles/

Somewhat-Reticent

egeezer Thanks. Good to know limit of contagious.

urbanriot

real_aurgathor

Can you provide some examples of those criticisms?

… seriously? Honestly your question feels like trolling considering how most of us here have been experiencing a news cycle for at least 40 years where something new caused Alzheimer’s / something else doesn’t cause Alzheimers.

Every year there’s some Alzheimer’s related news / anti-news and everyone is clinging to hope for a cure or mitigation techniques since the 60s when we were told they found that cause and it was aluminum. Then it was flu shots. etc., etc..

And then we get the amyloid beta protein theory but then 20 years later experts claimed it was filled with junk science and fabricated results. But then other experts say despite the potentially doctored information, the theory may still be good.

You can google the history of Alzheimer’s disease and it’s research on your own, this is all common knowledge.

real_aurgathor

LOL. I asked for examples, not largely incoherent ramblings, finger-pointing, and references to google. It wasn’t a particularly good one, but Astyanax at least provided one – bonus points for him for that. 😉

Scientific studies don’t usually go into directly criticizing other people’s work, and possibly tainted studies by some researchers do not mean that everything related to a given area is a junk science. Most everything involving the human brain is a very difficult research – often, it’s difficult to distinguish between risk factors and causative agents, and hitting some dead ends is part of the scientific process.

As for Al – according to this 2015 paper, there is an association between Al and AD: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8028870/ – read at least the abstract.

As for vaccines blamed for various things – too much too list. 🙁
For the flu vaccine in particular, it was found that it *reduces* AD risk: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35723106/

egeezer

Pubpeer is an interesting resource for finding criticisms of studies.

I saw one report recently released as authoritative that did not disclose the authors, selection criteria for data or subjects.

I take such studies with a grain of salt, and look for supporting studies that meet established research protocols and disclosure requirements.

Sparkchaser

egeezer Shingles is nasty, especially in older people.

I ashamed to say I haven’t gotten the shot. My wife has had Shingles twice. It’s not something you want..

I know a women that has it in her mouth/face. 🙁

ugly95

urbanriot Every year there’s some Alzheimer’s related news / anti-news and everyone is clinging to hope for a cure or mitigation techniques since the 60s when we were told they found that cause and it was aluminum. Then it was flu shots. etc., etc..

And then we get the amyloid beta protein theory but then 20 years later experts claimed it was filled with junk science and fabricated results. But then other experts say despite the potentially doctored information, the theory may still be good.

There is a pretty big gap between headline surfing and the opinions of experts in the field. If you go by news headlines, then that is the modern-day equivalent of chasing clicks. Just because a bunch of headlines every other week tell you, for example, coffee is good for you or bad for you doesn’t mean research can’t be trusted. As for “anti-news”, the entire purpose is to play the contrarian, chase clicks and sow doubt.

Because you hear conflicting evidence means that the evidence is complex. Not that information can’t be trusted. To say that everything concerning a topic you read is with a grain of salt is probably good advice for any headline you read. But, if it is taken as a matter of reflexive distrust, then it is probably someone has decided in advance they don’t want to trust what they perceive to be the official narrative.

Dks01

Somewhat-Reticent The usual result of exposure was not resistance but death or severe disability. Viz. diphtheria, pertussis, and Red measles in pregnant women.

Dks01

Sparkchaser I have had both shingles shots. I consider it an investment in my good health.

Somewhat-Reticent

Dks01 Depends on which virus, and knowledge of when it’s weakest.
Measles, mumps, chickenpox; not polio, for which vaccine was available.
As noted, risk was minimized when children were exposed; no dead or disabled.

egeezer

Somewhat-Reticent
Here’s an informative article on the subject from 2015;
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4707740/

Dks01

Somewhat-Reticent Polio vaccine was not available before 1954. Exposure “therapy” was bad public health and born of ignorance. It still is.

AMDUSER

Dks01

Dks01 Exposure “therapy” was bad public health and born of ignorance. It still is.

That is, incidentally how I ended up with chicken pox… A relative brought it home from school. They should have been isolated during the late 1980s. Some parent sent their kid to school with it. 😖

Somewhat-Reticent

Dks01 The timeline of info and vaccine availability applies.

Japan had Chickenpox vaccine in the early 1970’s; the US in 1995.
People used the info available and applied wisdom. ( Not ignorance. )

Polio vaccine distribution in the US began in 1955.
Several prior epidemics helped motivate using vaccine that had been
developed in the 30’s using risky ( unorthodox ) procedures.

The history of a disease and development of vaccine is interesting.

Dks01

Somewhat-Reticent
Canada had chickenpox vaccine in the 1990’s. Unfortunately, the “wisdom” put children at risk. Chickenpox “parties” were once the rage. We saw the same acute stupidity in COVID and during the recent measles epidemic. Such activities constitute child endangerment.

“In 2018–2019, New York City experienced the largest measles outbreak in the United States in nearly three decades.”
x…………….Edited to TOS length……………..x

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz4037

Somewhat-Reticent

Dks01 the “wisdom”

Past Wisdom was not applied. Wikipedia
Prior immunization had made progress, but people had become complacent.
Education became lax; medical professionals were not consulted in advance.
A different time, different procedures & conditions, different outcome. Sadly.

Bombtrad

Dks01 Polio vaccine was not available before 1954.

And before that I remember poor kids in lower school wearing big bult up boots and leg braces hobbling around. sad.

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